August 28th, 2007

The Allure of the GW Forums (Or Lack Thereof)

Posted by Mut in Uncategorized

I have been a member of the forum community for a very long time – since July 14th, 2003 to be exact. Since my registration I have been banned and unbanned on numerous occasions, promoted to moderator status, demoted to a regular member, once again promoted to moderator, site-banned, IP-banned, Klined and Glined from the IRC channel and server, and even had my forum account deleted then brought back only to have it shit on after being resurrected over a year and a half later. But I am still here. Why?!?

The GW forums is an interesting place. It’s the second forum I’ve become an active member in, first being the Counter-Strike forums (lol). In fact, right now, I’m not registered anywhere else as a forum member besides two other places, but I don’t usually post on one of them and don’t post at all on the other. So what is keeping me here? Honestly, I don’t have a clue. Maybe it’s because GW’s forum community is special to me. Perhaps much like an old group of friends, I don’t think I can let it vanish from my life. But like with any group of friends, we went through some drama. It’s kind of like a love and hate relationship. I just can’t seemed to give it up…

Before you read on, let me warn you that this is an article written by a long-time forum member whose hopes and dreams for this forum have been slipping away for quite some time now. Let’s begin.

So here’s a short summary of the current status of GW forums: Its user activity is gradually dwindling, the contents (level of interesting, informative, or funny material – known as my IIF [just made that up]) of the posts aren’t improving, and nothing is being done to fix and improve the situation. No one is stepping up.

Is this appealing? So appealing that it makes you want to stop reading this article and register as a member to post on the forums immediately? Probably not, but I can think of some other things that this might make you want to do. The forums on this website seem to serve only one purpose: it’s a place where many of us can waste our precious time. But I used to have fun doing it. Unless you’re an old-timer like I am, this place has little or no significance or purpose other than a place to see whether or not the raw for the newest Naruto chapter is out. Oh wait, we have MangaHelpers or NarutoFan for that. Dammit, so what is this place really worth?

Honestly, it’s worth nothing. At least, not anymore. As said above, interesting, informative, or funny (IIF) posts are almost completely absent nowadays. The good ‘ol times have rolled by and now are the days of degeneration. There is less activity now too. This forum community I really adored being part of has declined in usefulness as well as the degree of enjoyment. My near-undying hope and faith of reviving the forums (ongoing devotion since roughly two years ago) has been fading, and it’s making me sad. My hope for the GW forums was that it could be a forum where content-filled IIF posts would dominate over the lesser, no-content posts. The IIF posts wouldn’t even need to be so well-thoughtout, lengthy, or brilliant. They would just need to be written with effort. Take a look at a post I made regarding The Worst Posters. The list isn’t important, but the criteria are. My standard of what a good post vastly differs from most, and I think this is where a lot of the confusion occurs.

Some say it’s impossible to resolve the problems I’ve mentioned, but disagree. GW forums weren’t always lacking IFF posts, it’s just that the standards of the forums have been pushed down to almost an unbearable state. A state that simply does not attract new members nor encourage others to be better posters. The state GW forums are in, I wonder how long the daily activity will last. Some of you might ask why I don’t do something about it. Well, frankly, I’ve tried almost everything, but nothing has worked due to certain obstacles I’ve encountered, which I won’t bother mentioning. Additionally, no one has really taken the initiative for improvement. Maybe I’m asking too much out of people, especially since I’m asking over the internet. The forums are battered from the constant shitposting and barely on its last legs, but I keep coming back to it. Why do we do what we do?

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  1. Paulyboy said,
    on August 29th, 2007 at 2:55 am

    I just wanted to say I agree, I know what you mean, I love the forums as well. I don’t usually post as much as I used to because no one is basically contributing interesting topics like they used to. I have been a long time member as well, even though I don’t make topics is because im not really good at it, I basically like to reply to them if its interesting to me. Like few months I have realized that topics are not being updated or replied to as fast as they used to. The one who taught me how to post was Bud, and JESUS I was really a bad poster but everyone starts off like that. Well anyways I just wanted to say I LOVE YOU GUYS! LETS HOPE THAT GOTWOOT Doesn’t become a downfall.

  2. ?igma said,
    on August 29th, 2007 at 2:55 am

    Start by unbanning me πŸ˜›

    Maybe it is, because the flamepit isn’t actually a place to be able launch personal attacks at all. After all, several responses about my bans were directly linked to the flamepit and not to the on-topic forums, where I only posted offensive content once by mistake and twice after, to reply to the replies to the offensive mistake.

    Lets face it, we don’t like eachother, but I still don’t belong on your list of crappiest posters. My posts usually don’t have any of the given qualities and I especially hate faulty grammar or spelling ( appealing / appalling ?)

    When I got banned, the mods were litterally fighting over eachother to give me the final boot out. This says alot about GW, especially when you see remarks such as ” he did his best to get banned”, while 99% of that “best” was said in , once more, the flame pit.

    It might be interesting to know, that it was basically only a test, which I still had to fabricate for my new year in college. Observing an online community. It’s really utter bull, but you guys will definitely get me a nice grade, if you count the screenshots.

    My tests on also ended up in getting my IP banned, but I didn’t nearly get enough time to really go all out on one account ,and , they didn’t have a flame pit, which would serve my subject perfectly.

    Basically, my goal was to start behaving like a total retard in the flame-pit, flame about everyone I could flame, but there had to be a reason and the topic had to justify it. Making multiple topics was off limits.

    I started out small, but your topic about the worst posters ( which I ,by mistake by the way, thought was located in the flamepit ) gave me a lot of extra material. You are an easy target. You are capable of writing like the above, but just as me, you usually stick to screaming and shouting , trying to kick as many knees as you can. Hence, perfect target.

    Within two minutes of this abuse, I got a warning by one of the Mods. First point in.

    Now it was case to take on all the Moderators at once, so I made a retarded moderator topic. Oh, how flies like shit πŸ™‚ . In no time, all your precious moderators were on to me. I bet they were going like “I wanna go kick him in the nuts” on IRC. I should’ve gone there too I guess, but it could have affected my results.

    So in a ravaging spree I went all-out and one after another, the moderators were giving me warnings for things I said in the flame-pit. of course not the moment I said it, but they heavily related to the content there, when I posted outside the flamepit.

    Do I enjoy getting an IP-ban..well, not so much, I have to manually search for my animé now. Do I miss the discussions ? Hmm..not much I guess, because everyone is just posting their own opinions, even if they respond to others. So when they do that, they try to ignore as much as possible of the given argumentation and just waltz their own opinion on it.
    Especially the Claymore forum is hilarious, so called “intellectual debates”, going on about what would have happened if Priscilla never became an awakened being. Well sorry guys, but that’s just really pathetic.

    Also the heavy spoiling is ridiculous. I know your policy doesn’t regard it as spoiling.. I personally can’t see why, besides trying to keep topics alive, because speculation about future episodes in the anime, when you have read the manga, is like prediciting the war in Vietnam, NOW. It’s wrong, it’s egotistic and it’s pure discontempt towards active vieuwers that do not read the manga.

    All in all, perhaps it’s your moderators that cause it πŸ™‚

  3. ?igma said,
    on August 29th, 2007 at 2:56 am

    O so way had more spaces in that…

  4. villin said,
    on August 29th, 2007 at 11:06 am

    The GW forums were the first forums that I ever actively participated in. I joined back in July of 2003 and at the time the community was pretty active.

    I haven’t posted on the GW forum for a couple of years now for several reasons. First and foremost was the stupid decision to to switch to the fusetalk boards. Whoever made that choice should be shot because they were the most awkward and user unfriendly piece of garbage that it has been my misfortune to encounter. Alot of the members at the time shared my opinion and GW lost some great posters as a result.

    I don’t have any real point to make in this reply just adding my $0.02

  5. Kraco said,
    on August 29th, 2007 at 11:29 am

    Everybody always says things were better in the past. I could say that, and I haven’t yet been around for two full years. Jolly sentiments of nostalgia.

    Anyway, for me the most important forum is General Anime. Originally I did join for the Naruto and Bleach forums, but, gee, I wonder why, those two have been sidelined. General Discussion, not to mention that express elevator to hell, Flaming Pit, aren’t of any top priority for me.

    In truth I have little to complain about. Except for some good people leaving. But that’s life.

  6. Tekno said,
    on August 29th, 2007 at 11:35 am

    This seems to be an ocuring thing with a fair few forums but not to worry im here now haha
    but seriously can some one link or even post up what the old (IFF) material to give me some ideas and ill see what i can do πŸ˜‰

  7. Mut said,
    on August 29th, 2007 at 11:51 am

    I appreciate everyone’s comments, but I really can’t understand what you’re trying to say, ?igma. From the little I’m comprehending, you’re saying you used the GW forums as a test to observe an online community? That just sounds retarded.

    Anyway, villin, I agree that jumping over to FuseTalk was a bad move and we did have tons of problems with it. And I think most of the problems during those times were more of a forum software issue rather than the issues I described above.

    Kraco, GW has way too many forums. The only forums that shouldn’t be touched in MY remodeling would be the General Anime and Manga, while both Naruto forums would be combined, and same for the Bleach forum. Get rid of the Gundam and One Piece forums (add the threads in GA). And I’d do some more consolidating and rearranging. Right now the forums are a mess. They look empty due to the divided activity among multiple forums for the same series or topic.

    As for tekno, the serious posts I make are IIF material. Just check out this thread for Just check out this thread for my IIF posts (although they are much more lengthier than they need to be).

  8. TGEN said,
    on August 29th, 2007 at 12:07 pm

    What the fuck? Bringing forum drama to the front page? Besides, if you have any experience at all with The Internets, you should know forums suck regardless. If you want any meaningful, serious discussion online, use mailing lists with a very narrow purpose specification.

  9. Mut said,
    on August 29th, 2007 at 12:14 pm

    Not all forums suck. Trust me.

  10. ?igma said,
    on August 29th, 2007 at 3:10 pm

    The point I was making, between the lines, is that your moderators are all friends’ friends and there’s no such thing as hounest moderating. If any.

  11. CommSie said,
    on August 29th, 2007 at 6:18 pm

    Yes, hmm…
    I never have been much of a forum member here unfortunately, but there have been a few places where I have been for 4 to 6+ years.

    But now I just don’t have any real free time. I work almost all my waking hours to provide for many elderly folks now. And I haven’t even followed any more anime and manga anymore for over a year now. All the bought stuff are now stored in 5 big boxes in the basement and neglected gigabytes on the puters.

    Next to just about no more free time, many obligations/debts, it just all (forums) seem to have gotten really meaningless/futile.

    And at my places I have tried, as a s-mod, in the few years before my recent year of inactivity, to post so many kind of threads, ranging from all kinds of subjects. And afterwards asking some of the populace in chat, most oftenly replied with answers like, “I don’t know what to say”, or “I’ll get to it when I feel like it”.

    Some may be genuinely troubled, busy, less free time or whatever, I guess. Or are just bigger slobs than ever and only want instant gratification and entertainment only D=

    And silence and inactivity just keeps spiraling into more silence and inactivity (>O_o)

  12. Oster said,
    on August 30th, 2007 at 7:52 pm

    Well, I joined the forum to take a look. I will have to take a little more time to get a better feel of it. I will admit that I only visit this site to get the DMC downloads. Most of my online time is spent on yaoi sites. I believe that clearly states that I am a female. I could be wrong but it feels like most of your members are male which means the flaming is more blunt and less vicious. That is actually a good thing, if people remember not to take it to personally. I have no clue how you can liven it up, but I can say I didn’t even know this site existed until I can across it on Conclaves site where I was looking for something completely different, but was very pleased to find DMC.

  13. Vash said,
    on September 1st, 2007 at 7:31 am

    I really wonder if this needed to be posted on the front page? It’s a forum, on the internet, sure it’s a good place to hang out and chat with like minded people, but people need to leave online, online….. Forget the angst, enjoy it for what it is and if you can’t find somewhere you like better….. I mean getting so emotionally attached to a forum seems unhealthy man. but whatever. I’d suggest you take a holiday from this place mut, chat somewhere else and come back in 3mths or so….


  14. complich8 said,
    on September 1st, 2007 at 1:20 pm

    he already took like a two year “holiday” after some ancient drama. This is what happened after he came back :p.

  15. Chambers said,
    on September 1st, 2007 at 5:32 pm

    I used to contribute to some discussions on the forums of this site a long time ago, and while I no longer consider myself active in anyway ( i mainly lurk around the new release threads) I can quite easily point at more than a couple things that put me off this forum personally (and I’m sure its the same for MANY people who i have seen come and go in my time here).

    First reason, the main thing that put me off; occasionally i would visit the manga forums to browse a couple of topics, from there I learnt of the people ho watch both the manga and the anime of whatever series I was looking at at that point. One thing that really got to me was when someone who did not read the Anime posted speculation on future events and a guy who knows exactly what is going to happen comes a long and shits all over the theory insulting the OP of said theory in the process. Hand in hand with this is quite the opposite happening, a guy who reads the anime posts EXACTLY what will happen in the future and attempts to pass it of as a premonition of sorts, anyone who attempts to say “hey this guys is spoiling” is not treated with the correct response of “ok we shall remove that thread, thank you for reporting it” but instead is told that b confirming something as a spoiler makes you worse than the guy who posted it, and you come in for some nice flames. Its inhospitable things like that that put off new people to the forums.

    Secondly the people. There are some pretty decent people on here that I knew or liked when I used to post, eurasian, assertnfailure, terra amoung other people… then you get the yin to every yang and you get one of the biggest pricks I have ever met on the internet or in real life, a guy who acts like such an asshole he HAS to be over compensating for *somtheing*. And assholes breed other assholes, when you see as a newcomer somone like Mut acting the way he does, others think its acceptable to act this way and soon enough people stop posting because they no longer wish to associate with those type of people. Not only does/did the actions of Mut go complete unpunished for a long time (or for ever?) he was supported when acting like a prick.

    The combination of these two things will drive a lot of people away from these forums and more importantly at a point when in the past Naruto really exploded on to the scene and brought a lot of new people with it, it more than likley drove them away then.

    Just my two cents from a guy who doesnt post here much any more ( i can predict responses from some people already).

  16. The1LittleMcHale said,
    on September 3rd, 2007 at 12:12 am

    I love you guys… I love the guys who are nice and have legit arguements… but I also love the guys who seem to be total assholes… I may have only been here since my freshman year in high school… which is a little over 5 years ago now… and I haven’t posted much at all in all my time here… but I have read alot of what you guys have said

    and all I think I need to say about you is that you always entertain me… no matter how I am feeling at the time

  17. ?igma said,
    on September 6th, 2007 at 10:30 am

    Chambers, you used to be one of the most civil posters πŸ™ , everything you said, QFT mate, QFT

  18. DarthEnder said,
    on November 6th, 2007 at 3:49 am

    I agree with what Chambers says about manga readers even being allowed to “speculate” in anime threads. It’s kinda bullcrap. I’m tired of getting into arguments with these people when they’re making predictions based on nothing the anime has shown and then being proven wrong only because they already knew the answer.

    The other main problem I have is with the mods and their enforcment of “off-topic”. Basically, any attempt to make a thread whose concept might be considered fun or interesting ends up getting shut down pretty quick because its not “relevant”.

    Same deal inside threads themselves, when a discussion of an episode meanders off into something else, for me, that’s when something might actually be getting interesting. But then a mod swoops in an removes the post because nothing in it is about Naruto Episode 42.

    I mean, I’m looking at it right now above where I’m typing this. “Keep your comments meaningful, concise, and on-topic.”

    These things are basically the exact opposite of “fun and interesting”.

    The end result is that in the anime forums, there’s absolutely nothing to read but episode discussion threads where everyone is saying the exact same stuff because we all watched the same 22minute episode we’re “discussing”.

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