May 17th, 2007

Still Churning

Posted by lambchopsil in releases

We have another episode for our newest series~ It’s El Cazador episode 5. Grab the torrent here

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  1. suiton said,
    on May 17th, 2007 at 8:45 pm

    …and still waiting… 🙁

  2. Jonko Nakker said,
    on May 18th, 2007 at 3:47 am

    I have a feeling that they will not bother with the Naruto project anymore. It seems as if it is their lowest priority…. I mean it had been what? Like a few months, that the episodes were released… All that there is left to do is wrap the series up. – – – Note that this is not a complain or whining or anything else; it’s a mere observation of the possible situation and my thoughts written out and shared with others.- – – I’m sure there are others just thinking like I am (refers to above poster…)

    All I’m saying is, an update would by nice regarding this project… Also note that this is not a request, but simply a suggestion as I know that this team does it in their free time. However, I can’t see what’s possibly wrong with giving updates time to time about ,without a doubt one of the most popular releases of this group for quite some time. All I’m saying is that it would be some nice info for the fans of this show and these subs of this group.

  3. naruto-chan said,
    on May 18th, 2007 at 3:53 am

    Keep whining and I think they should drop it for good. I for once am grateful for the unmatched AnimeOne releases.

  4. Jonko Nakker said,
    on May 18th, 2007 at 4:32 am

    Where did I ever mention that I was ungrateful? Obviously I care, otherwise I would not bother posting that comment… Let’s not confuse ungratefulness with certain thoughts about this subject shall we? You can play the scared fan all you want, I for one am not afraid to express my feelings regarding this subject. I know that deep in your heart you were glad that someone shared their thoughts and that you were glad that you did not have to take the bullet… Again, my gratefulness for this project by this group remains unchanged. I can’t see how someone would say otherwise…

    Again let there be no misconception about ungratefulness or anything like that.

  5. complich8 said,
    on May 18th, 2007 at 5:05 am

    Something I think you fail to realize about animeone is that it’s an old-style large group. And it works exactly like any other old-style large group, as opposed to new-style small groups.

    New-style groups have a small, generally very dedicated staff, a small number of projects, and are in general efficient, cohesive units. If you saw Eclipse slowing down significantly on one series, they would likely slow down on several others because of the same person, and the team would have both the ability and clout to either put on a bit of peer pressure to get the job done, or to cover the position, or to find a replacement.

    Big-old groups, on the other hand, don’t have a single cohesive team. Rather, they have sub-projects. So there’s the Naruto team, the El Cazador team, the BBB team, the DDD team, the YuTsu team, the GR team, and so on and so on. Every series, every project is representative of a different team, and often you’ll notice that many group members (particularly in more labor-intensive jobs) only work a few of the many projects the team keeps going. Part of this is because not everyone likes every series the group is doing. Part of it is because nobody has time to translate 12 episodes a week for their unpaid hobby. Maybe the translator on DDD is also working on BBB because he likes 3-letter names. Maybe the encoder for GR is the same encoder as El Caz. But not the same one that’s on Naruto or DDD.

    Anyway, what that means is if one project stalls, it’s probably because of one particular phase in that project. It can be any phase in the pipeline, from raw-finding and translation all the way down to the QC process. Sometimes there’s a good reason for this (eg: the typesetter got mono, there’s no good raws out yet, the encoder has a big rendering project for his CG class and doesn’t have the spare cycles to encode anime… the qc’er got a girlfriend). Sometimes, it’s for a bad reason (apathy, mmorpgs, etc). But that one project stalling, that one person dropping out or slowing down or whatever the situation is doesn’t necessarily impact the rest of the group in a tangible way. Sure, there’s a demoralization effect, seeing a project your group is doing stall out. But if it’s not your project, it doesn’t really matter too much.

    The thing is, even though the group is large, because most people are working on somewhere near their personal limit of projects, there’s not a lot of labor at-large waiting to step in and pick up where some given person left off. There are probably not a lot of people in the group who have good typesetting skills. A new editor might edit in a style inconsistent with the previous editor’s work, causing the episode to feel “wrong” to an attentive viewer. There are a lot of reasons not to just drop some random person into whatever job is blocking the pipeline.

    And that’s what’s likely happening with Naruto. Someone probably slowed down. Maybe they’ve been stressed out about finals, or got a full-time job, or the girlfriend got needy. Maybe someone’s just sick of trudging through more filler. Maybe there’s a nagging set of issues that QC keeps running into. I don’t know. But what I do know is that the problems the project faces are clearly not impacting the other projects. And that’s good news for AnimeOne. It means they can still strive for relevance in other series, even when the series that really drove them into the spotlight has somewhat fallen by the wayside.

    In other words, quit yer bitchin’. It’ll be out when it’s out. 👿

    (yikes, that ended up long)

  6. Nintendo said,
    on May 18th, 2007 at 5:46 am

    thank u complich8 for the details

  7. Jonko Nakker said,
    on May 18th, 2007 at 1:26 pm

    Thanks for an explanation!

  8. Maye said,
    on May 19th, 2007 at 6:47 am

    I didn\’t know that… 😯 Thanks for the explanation!! 🙂

  9. lambchopsil said,
    on May 21st, 2007 at 7:59 am

    All I’ll add to that us that Naruto is not stuck in the editing stage

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